"ddavidn" (ddavidn)
10/14/2013 at 13:36 • Filed to: Trolls, F1
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"ddavidn" (ddavidn)
10/14/2013 at 13:36 • Filed to: Trolls, F1 | 0
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Anyone have any links to information on how "wasteful" F1 is? Specifically, there is a bozo here at work who told me that each set of F1 tires/tyres takes two barrels of oil to make. I find this hard to believe. I don't like wasting resources either, but I attempted to explain some of the upsides of racing and related research. Anywho, anybody got some real info on this type of thing? Tires, fuel, the cars themselves? I have a feeling most racing stats are pulled from NASCAR, which I don't care about. I would just like to provide answers to this semi-troll.
MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 13:38 |
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F1 is to the consumer automotive industry what NASA is to the rest of the consumer everything else industry. It seems superfluous at first, but the amount of stuff we use that comes directly from those crazy programs is staggering.
ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 13:40 |
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I thought tires were one of the easiest things to recycle?
Anyway, it's F1. F1 represents such a small fraction of a decimal of a percentage of the overall worldwide consumption of resources, why is said troll even bothering to make a point about it.
Tell him if he feels like F1 uses too many resources, he can walk and make up for it.
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ddavidn
> MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig
10/14/2013 at 13:41 |
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This was actually the basis of what I said to him. How else could we test out tire compounds as quickly as Pirelli does every year through F1? How about those KERS advances? I think the Prius is much less considerate of the earth, but I still have no stats to back that up.
Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 13:43 |
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The NBCS announcers are always mentioning a site to go to, but I can't remember it now.
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ddavidn
> ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
10/14/2013 at 13:44 |
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I assume they recycle most of the rubber.
He's a snowboarder, and as with anyone's hobby, interest or sport, you can point out how resources are "wasted" or used in the production or maintenance of anything.
Planes use a lot of fuel. Any time someone complains about something using a lot of fuel, I point them to the planes.
Bakkster, touring car driver
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 13:44 |
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Not sure about production, but they do have exorbitant rental fees from the promoters, up to $100 per coat hanger for a weekend.
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/…
McMike
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 13:45 |
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What about F1 tire usage for the year vs, consumer tires for the year?
What about NASCAR, they have 147 races a year. How about Aircraft tires? How many tires do they go through?
Tell them that until he gets back to you with those numbers to STFU.
dinobot666
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 13:47 |
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Neither does anybody else, because that whole CNW "Research" thing was a bunch of nonsense.
Cixelsyd
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 13:48 |
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Those long lasting "eco" tires that were introduced recently? Direct results of tire wear and degradation research with significant data coming from results gathered during races.
Lightweight carbon fiber construction techniques that will drive a lot of innovation in the coming years? Pioneered and tested in F1.
New alternative hybrid configurations in road cars such as the Mazda 6 are very similar to F1 KERS technology.
Highly efficient dual clutch transmissions? Straight from F1.
Next up: F1 calls for super efficient and powerful engines with small displacement (1.6 litres). This will directly benefit road going cars in the near future as teams collectively spend billions of dollars annually refining and maximizing the performance of these engines.
Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 13:49 |
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1 barrel of oil=55 gallons of oil x 2 = 110 gallons of oil
110 gallons of oil/4tires = 27.5 gallons of oil/tire.
So he's essentially saying it takes more oil to make a set of tires than to travel from Nashville to Tallahassee in a family SUV (assuming 20 gal. fuel tank). I'm not sure, but I don't think his math is exactly right. I'd love to see the numbers on F1 racing as well, it would be fascinating.
Lemonhead
> Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him
10/14/2013 at 13:53 |
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I think a barrel of oil is 42 gallons so the gallons/tire is even less. I could be wrong though.
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Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> McMike
10/14/2013 at 13:54 |
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Or NHRA?
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ddavidn
> McMike
10/14/2013 at 13:55 |
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Yes I assume NASCAR is more of a resource drain as far as the cars are concerned. But I don't know for sure.
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ddavidn
> Cixelsyd
10/14/2013 at 13:55 |
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Exactly! I can't wait to see what comes from the new engine change.
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Tyler's SVT Focus Hates Him
> Lemonhead
10/14/2013 at 13:58 |
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It appears you are correct. Oil is shipped in 55 gallon barrels, but the official definition of "one barrel of oil" is in fact 42. I had a dumb moment, I apologize :)
Icemanmaybeirunoutofthetalents
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 14:00 |
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The cars themselves might just be a drop in the ocean when it comes to emissions. The biggest "waste" comes from the travelling circus. There are 11 teams and they have to cart along men and equipment all over the world and make multiple hops between races back to home base too. I think DHL flies charter for F1. I'm sure there will be some place on the internet detailing how many hours they fly the circus around the world per year.
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McMike
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 14:07 |
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I'm pretty sure they use more tires than F1. More cars, more events, etc.. Not sure how many "barrels of oil" each NASCAR tire uses though....
My point was to tell your friend to stop spitting out what he reads on his MSN home page unless he has some context or something to compare it to.
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ddavidn
> McMike
10/14/2013 at 14:09 |
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Yup. That's what I tell him. He always starts these conversations with "I read something somewhere a while ago that said..." and then I find facts to prove him wrong. This time I didn't have any facts, which seems strange because I try and keep up on F1.
NASCAR doesn't have to travel as much around the world, though. That's what keeps me from guaranteeing it's less "wasteful" than F1.
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McMike
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 14:21 |
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There goes enough smoke for an oil change in two of my cars.
:)
DanimalHouse
> ddavidn
10/14/2013 at 15:49 |
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ddavidn
> DanimalHouse
10/14/2013 at 15:52 |
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I'mma use this all the time. Thank you kindly.